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"You and I" or "You and Me"

An old New Yorker cartoon had two men at a bar with one lamenting that “It’s hard to be a ‘between you and me’ person in a ‘between you and I’ world.”  Here are the simple guidelines that will keep people from drinking in midafternoon in mid-Manhattan and keep you putting your best grammatical foot forward.  This post will deal with just the I/me issue although the same rules apply to he/him,
she/her, and they/them.

Pronouns that refer to persons change spelling according to their use in the sentence.  That means that “I” becomes “me” in certain situations.  You have the most often used and abused situations below although there are others uses of these pronouns.  Let’s deal just with the situations that give the most difficulty.

I is used

  • as the subject of a sentence, the subject of a verb.  “Tom and I are going to the Cape.”  The problem seems to arise when the pronoun is linked with another word.  An easy way to check is to take out the other word.  Most people would not say “Me is going to the Cape,” but I do hear the incorrect “Tom and me are going to the Cape.”
  • after some form of the verb to be.  “It is I” is correct. 


      Me is used

      • after a verb as its object.  “He likes Kim and me” is correct.  “He likes Kim and I” is incorrect.  Take out the first word to check.  “He likes I” sounds as incorrect as it is.
      • after prepositions.  A preposition is simply a word that links a noun or pronoun to a sentence.  The preposition “between” is a perfect example. 
        Between you and me is correct.  Between you and I is incorrect. 


      Up next, thanks to a reader’s request, is who/whom.  Send along your suggestions.

      Below is technical stuff.  Case indicates how the pronoun is used in a
      sentence.  Nominative is the subject of a sentence or follows the verb “to be.” 
      Objective case follows verbs and prepositions.

      Nominative                  Objective
      case                            case  

      I                                 me

      he, she                        him, her

      we                              us 

      they                            them

      Audra Myerberg

      11:46 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

      Love this! Thank you and keep it coming.....

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      Rose A. Doherty

      11:56 am on Thursday, July 19, 2012

      Thank you, Audra. Next up is who/whom, then lie/lay, then advice/advise. These suggestions have come from folks. What is your pet peeve as a writer and reader?

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      Audra Myerberg

      12:05 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

      oh, the you and I/me is a huge one. So hard to keep my mouth closed when I hear it. Advice/advise is a great one! Not necessarily grammatical but I am always trying to get my kids to say "may I have a cookie" instead of "can I have a cookie". Not always easy to be an English major.

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      Rose A. Doherty

      6:27 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

      The difference between can and may is a big one for me. I use "can" improperly sometimes and always appreciate those people who care enough to correct me with a twinkle.

      I once had an essay published in the Christian Science Monitor which essentially said that English majors can do anything.

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      Audra Myerberg

      8:36 pm on Thursday, July 19, 2012

      What a brilliant essay that much have been, Rose. :-)

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      Rose A. Doherty

      3:21 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

      Here is the link to "An English major's secrets for success." Although the piece is old, I think that it is still relevant.
      www.csmonitor.com/2001/1114/p18s2-hfes.html

      I once supervised someone whose entire undergraduate English class had to read the essay. Talk about feeling old.

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      Karla Vallance

      8:59 am on Friday, July 20, 2012

      Could you post a link to the Monitor essay here on this story, too? btw, great grammarial (is that a word?) topic.

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      Rose A. Doherty

      3:15 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

      Thanks, Karla. Neologisms, newly coined words, are the way that language grows! Here is the link to "An English major's secrets for success." Although the piece is old, I think that it is still relevant.
      www.csmonitor.com/2001/1114/p18s2-hfes.html

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      Karla Vallance

      3:25 pm on Friday, July 20, 2012

      It's still an excellent piece! And extremely well-put. You've captured why liberal arts educations matter.

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      Rose A. Doherty

      10:43 am on Sunday, July 22, 2012

      Amen to that. Please pass it along to others. I have given it to college seniors and their parents who are fretting about not having a trade.

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